tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5780049785490273000.post6063469851689005370..comments2023-11-02T10:46:57.188-04:00Comments on cross the road: hate the sin, love the sinnerEd G.http://www.blogger.com/profile/08870533414070848501noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5780049785490273000.post-86569844063621900802009-10-21T00:57:43.553-04:002009-10-21T00:57:43.553-04:00Actually, this saying was coined by one of the mor...Actually, this saying was coined by one of the more important figures in the development of western Christianity, St. Augustine.<br /><br />“It is clear, then, that the man who does not live according to man but according to God must be a lover of the good and therefore a hater of evil; since no man is wicked by nature but is wicked only by some defect, a man who lives according to God owes it to the wicked men that his hatred be perfect, so that, neither hating the man because of his corruption nor loving the corruption because of the man, <b>he should hate the sin but love the sinner.</b> For, once the corruption has been cured, then all that is left should be loved and nothing remains to be hated.”<br /><br />You can still disagree but thought you should know it wasn't necessarily coined by a Hindu. And for what it's worth, it's not like Hindu's preach hate either. <br /><br />I think this saying has been taken far too literally. I think the point is that our mistakes/weaknesses/sins shouldn't define us as people. We are more than our sins and we should look past the sins and love the person regardless.<br /><br />I think Paul understood this in Romans 7:15 "I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do."<br /><br />Paul hates the sin that he keeps doing. I don't think it means you should go up to people and say, "hey Mary, I hate the fact that you sleep around." That's definitely not loving the sinner. But I believe hating the sin can be striving not to sin, and perhaps encouraging others not to sin... in a non-judgmental way.<br /><br />Anyway, I think we can all agree that it's never good to hate people. But I think we can hate sin if it means we try to not do it ourselves. Maybe I'm just drifting here, but I think the saying has some merit if not used as an excuse to condemn people for their sins, but used as an excuse to love people despite their sins.Peter Royhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12483718343543461057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5780049785490273000.post-77373970910758228292009-03-15T21:25:00.000-04:002009-03-15T21:25:00.000-04:00blog got deletednew addresshttp://nancnote.blogspo...blog got deleted<BR/><BR/>new address<BR/><BR/>http://nancnote.blogspot.com/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5780049785490273000.post-21232144392047007192009-03-13T15:48:00.000-04:002009-03-13T15:48:00.000-04:00Paul... you are so right... i know when i have sin...Paul... you are so right... i know when i have sinned, i really get down on myself -- how could you possibly separate the two?<BR/><BR/>Matt... your alternative creates such a picture in my mind... the word 'embrace' says so much, thanks.Ed G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/08870533414070848501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5780049785490273000.post-25990321105376125002009-03-13T13:58:00.000-04:002009-03-13T13:58:00.000-04:00Ed, great post. What about a new slant on it - so...Ed, great post. What about a new slant on it - something along the lines of, "Dismiss the sin, embrace the sinner?"NoVA Dadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16661990626635939447noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5780049785490273000.post-69448189446477881122009-03-12T23:34:00.000-04:002009-03-12T23:34:00.000-04:00yea, I agree with you... I've always felt there wa...yea, I agree with you... I've always felt there was something wrong with that statement. There's also something wrong with this separation of what someone does in contrast to what someone is. In my mind, what someone does is in fact what someone is... sin and sinner are not separate entities.<BR/><BR/>therefore, love the sinner who sins.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5780049785490273000.post-62354873110094020762009-03-12T20:59:00.000-04:002009-03-12T20:59:00.000-04:00Nancy... your words have been extra special lately...Nancy... your words have been extra special lately.<BR/><BR/>Wilsonian... so you're the one! (ha). You and me both, sistah.<BR/><BR/>HennHouse... thank you for such encouraging words.<BR/><BR/>Kansas Bob... well said, this phrase seems to be pulled out only for 'special occaisions'.Ed G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/08870533414070848501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5780049785490273000.post-1230750001565229822009-03-12T19:24:00.000-04:002009-03-12T19:24:00.000-04:00This is spot on Ed.. very well said!I wonder what ...This is spot on Ed.. very well said!<BR/><BR/>I wonder what someone would say if it went like this:<BR/><BR/>Hi Jane.. I really love you but I hate your gluttony!<BR/><BR/>Hi Jack.. I really love you but I hate your hypocrisy!<BR/><BR/>Hi Bob.. I really love you but I hate your self-righteousness!kc bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17440862813109808755noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5780049785490273000.post-49823200741430540282009-03-12T16:08:00.000-04:002009-03-12T16:08:00.000-04:00Awesome post!Awesome post!HennHousehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14211470969275795779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5780049785490273000.post-20780702485773321452009-03-10T21:09:00.000-04:002009-03-10T21:09:00.000-04:00Ed! This is great. I've never been fond of that ...Ed! This is great. I've never been fond of that expression (though I'm shamed to admit that I used it in the past).<BR/><BR/>Jesus never taught the message of hate. Truth!Erinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12979627849688965995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5780049785490273000.post-31874921011211540862009-03-10T20:05:00.000-04:002009-03-10T20:05:00.000-04:00i suppose thatLove is God's power working through ...i suppose that<BR/>Love is God's power working through us for the glory of God...<BR/><BR/>and hate is a self centered power that works against the glory of God.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com